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Wednesday, June 8, 2011

Oil filter crusher

My friend has an oil burner installation business and brought up a problem he has. The burners have an oil filter that has to be changed regularly and these used filters are considered hazardous waste as such, so getting them processed correctly costs very much. But if the oil filter is crushed so that the remaining oil inside the filter gets out, this crushed filter can then be thrown in to a metal recycling bin. The oil from the filters is collected and either used in a waste oil burner or given to a hazardous waste plant as fuel for their burning processes.

At first I of course used Google to search for existing solutions to see how the crushing is done commercially. The search results indicated that most of the commercial crushers are using pressurised air and some work with hydraulic/electric power. The usual tonnage I saw was between 3 to 10 tons, most of the crushers being in the 6 to 10 tons category.

I first thought of using pressurised air as that is easily available at 10 bar pressure, but to get 10 tons of pressure needs a piston that is about 350 mm in diameter. The idea of turning the piston and cylinder myself in a lathe felt like a bad idea and I didn't even want to know how much a commercially made cylinder would have cost, so something else had to be considered.

I had thought of using hydraulics and investigated on the price to build a hydraulic pump unit and a some sort of press frame from steel, but the price would have been in the 500 EUR and up category just for the hydraulic parts. I talked about this idea at work and one guy suggested using a hydraulic log splitter.

Hydraulic log splitter. That idea had potential, as I knew those would cost very little and so I did a quick search. A local business called Motonet had on their website four different models, three ranging from 199 to 299 EUR for horizontal models and one vertical model for 399 EUR. Each had a 6 ton rated capacity, so they all had enough force. And for this price it would have been impossible to get this crusher parts let alone all the work neeeded. My friend wanted the vertical model as it had small foot print and seemed very sturdy.

The log splitter originally has a table that is stationary and the splitting wedge moves up and down by hydraulics. It has a 3 kW electric motor so it needs a 16 A wall outlet to run. In operation the motor runs constantly and circulates the hydraulic oil through the operating valve back to the tank. When you push down both hand levers the valve opens and the piston pulls the wedge down. When either the travel ends or the pressure is at its maximum, an overpressure relief valve opens and lets the oil flow past the cylinder. When the levers are let go, the valve moves to the other end by a spring load and the piston moves up until a small limit rod pulls the valve to its center position and the movement stops.

I measured that when the wedge is at its lowest position, there is a gap of 135 mm from the wedge to the table top. I also measured that the wedge is not parallel to the table but inclined about 5 mm from end to end. This meant that I had to use an angle grinder to get that inclination away and to make such an attachment that it has at least 135 mm height. The inclination was easy to get rid off, I just put a straight edge against the square tube and drew a line on the side of the wedge.

As the oil filters are about 75 mm in diameter I had to have at least about 100 mm square plates for crushing the filters. I found about 140 mm square plates from the scrap bin that were both about 25 - 30 mm thick, so I sawed off a section of U-beam to lift up the other plate enough from the table. I squared everything in a CNC mill and used it to make a 120 mm in diameter and 3 mm deep pocket on the lower plate. I also made the pocket to be a little bit concave on the bottom, so the center is at 6 mm deep to get the oil to flow to the center. In the center I drilled an almost through hole and from the side of the plate I drilled an 11.7 mm hole to the center and tapped this with G 1/4" pipe thread.

After removing paint from the parts, I used a MIG welder to put everything together. The welds were a not so good in some places as the welders copper tip was worn out, no new one was around and thus it gave me problems every 10 seconds or so.

Finally after cooling the parts I was able to assemble the not-so-log-splitter-anymore and to test it out. I screwed in a hose fitting on the side of the lower plate and ran a short length of hose to a collection bucket for the oil. The first test was to run down the piston to its lowest position to see how smmall gap there is between the crushing plates and this showed to be about 10-15 mm, so it might hurt your fingers a little if left between.

The second test was of course to put a used oil filter on the bottom plate and see if the machine has enough power to crush it. With safety glasses on I pulled the levers down and watched as the filter nicely folded down in to a pancake. In the almost end of the stroke I saw an ooze of oil squirt down the hose in to the bucket, so it worked just like it should. The end result was a very flat oil filter, about 25 % of its original size and about a 100 ml of oil. The total time to crush a filter was about 10 seconds.

Of course I called my friend to let him know that the machine was ready and that he would bring a box of used filters with him to test the machine. He showed up with about 50 oil filters in three carton boxes and together we crushed them in no time. End result was only a small bucket full of crushed filters and 5 litres of oil. No wonder they charge so much to dispose off as hazardous waste. Now he saves lots of money by recycling the empty oil filters as metal and by giving away the used oil as a fuel. And even if the regulations would say that the crushed oil filters are still hazardous waste, it would cost less to dispose off as they weigh a lot less and take up smaller space.

Now the only thing to do is an oil change to the crusher and adding an oil filter to the pipe that runs from the tank to the pump to keep the machine in operation for a lot longer than the original.

And as hydraulic log splitters can be had with a 1000 mm stroke and 6 tons of force and they contain everything needed between an electrical wall outlet and the hydraulic piston and the fact that they cost only 200-400 EUR, this will be my source for hydraulic power unit for a small hydraulic press. Nice to have electric motor running and just pressing a button to get all the movement without tedious hand cranking.

Wednesday, April 6, 2011

Spam comments

I have noticed that some comments are only left as advertisements and do not contribute anything to this blog or relate to the article in question. I will not tolerate spamming and will remove every comment I notice as such. This does not affect comment left by normal people or crazy ones like myself :)

Coming up soon is an article of an oil filtercrusher, stay tuned!

Monday, February 28, 2011

Attention Europeans: SIEG Scandinavia

I was looking for information and dealers for the SIEG CNC series and came across a very low price dealer in Europe called SIEG Scandinavia. They offer on their website the whole SIEG production machines and at a very low price compared to for example Finnish dealers.

On some machines there is free shipping in European Union, but generally the DHL cost is 120 EUR per machine, which is very reasonable.

I haven't yet bought anything from them, as I'm collecting money for the SIEG KX3-CNC machine with a Mach3 software.

Sunday, February 27, 2011

Changing mains plug

The SIEG C4 lathe that I bought from Axminster Tool Centre works on 230 VAC 50 Hz mains voltage, the same we have here in Finland. The only problem was that the power plug in the end of the cord was some British type and not the kind of we use. So I went to the local hardware store and bought a plug that is made of rubber, rated for 16A and has an insulation class IP44. The cost of the plug was 1.79 EUR, so it is cheap.

I don't know of other countries laws on electrical work, but here everybody has the right to change a power cord to a device. Technically I'm not changing the cord but in reality I'm doing the very same end result with the same connections so it doesn't count.

First thing to do was to cut the original British plug and toss it. At the same time I stripped the insulation down about 40 mm and clipped the neutral and live wire about 5-10 mm shorter than the grounding wire. This is made so that if you yank the cord and the wires get ripped off, the ground connection is the last one to rip off and in some cases it can save your life. In this plug it doesn't matter that much, but I have a habit of doing this always so I don't forget it.

I stripped the insulation off of the ends of the leads for about 5 mm and twisted the stranded wire together. Using a screwdriver I opened the new plug and screwed off the strain relief.

First I opened the screw for the grounding wire (green-yellow) and put it under the screw and tightened. After that I bent the live (brown) and neutral (blue) to their attachment points and screwed them tightly. This plug type is non-polarised, so it doesn't matter which way you attach the live and neutral. Last I screwed the strain relief tightly so it clamps on the black insulation of the cord.

Pulled the cover on and screwed it snug and this modification is done.

Friday, February 25, 2011

What I do for living

Some have asked what I do for living or what is my profession. At the very moment I'm still in college, but I'm getting my degree in tool & die making in 3 months. Tool & die maker is basically like a machinist, but it is more to do with jigs, fixtures, molds, dies and tools. And generally speaking tool & die work is not a job where you make a hundred of this and a million of that, but rather one of this and two of that.

I already concluded all my obligatory training and exams, so I'm basically waiting for the graduation event and using this time to be at a moldshop to earn some living money. In this same place (Työkalutyöt Mattila Oy) where I work I did my thesis work, which was a very basic permanent casting mold for aluminum. The photo on the right shows the mold installed in the casting machine. This PDF (17 MB) descripes the work with lots of pictures, but unfortunately it is only in Finnish at the moment. I'm planning on writing it in English once I learn what the different mold parts are called in English as I don't know them all.

I have had extensive training in school about plastic injection molds, but at the company I work we mainly do die casting molds. They work essentially the same but have much more work and things to consider as the mold fills up with liquid aluminum rather than liquid plastic.

I'm more specialised in assembling the mold, which means finishing all the pieces, fitting them together, assembling everything and making the small pieces that are missing with (usually) a manual lathe and a surface grinder. I also do mold polishing and fitting the whole mold after assembling it.

And when the need arises, I use the CNC mills with MasterCAM or straight from the Heidenhain controller panel to make parts. I mainly use 3-axis mills, but I have had some limited training on 3+2 axis work on a 5-axis machine.

We don't have a wire EDM, but I do know how to operate one as I have used Fanuc 0iA and 1iC machines. Sinker EDM experience is a little bit less than my wire EDM experience, I have only used an AGIE-Charmilles and repaired an old AGIE (older than me!). The one pictured on the right is the machine we had in school.

We also do not have a CNC lathe, but I have used one small machine at school (picture on the right) extensively, as I was the only one who knew how to operate it. Nobody had a clue of how to run it, so I did as I always do: RTFM. In the course of learning to use the machine I wrote a manual for the lathe in Finnish with lots of pictures. The lathe controller was Fanuc 0-TD, meaning very old and very basic.

Monday, January 24, 2011

Stand for the blasting cabinet

I also made a stand for the blasting cabinet to get a comfortable working position. This is the reason for the elbow connector in the air line, so that it doesn't take room but goes down, as my workspace is very limited and getting pretty crowded with all the various stuff.

I welded the stand from 25 x 25 x 2 square steel tube, better known as "furniture tube" in here. I used a MIG welder because that was available and it is quick to use. I got the material from Rautasoini and it cost me about 20 EUR for the 9.6 meters of material and a cutting fee of 1.7 EUR, so quite cheap.

For welding the frame nice and square I bought a magnetic square from Biltema for 5.49 €. It provides 30 kg of magnetic pull and the 105 mm side length provides accuracy. I tested this little gadgets accuracy with a 400 mm machinist square and the magnetic square was truly a square. In retrospect I should have bought two or three of these to make the setups even more easy, but even with only one I could free my hands and got rid off of using clamps and got everything square in one go.

Once I had welded the frame I checked the diagonal lengths and found that there was 1 mm difference in 900 mm distance, so it was really good. The frame was a little bit twisted, as it rocked on the floor a little, but I fixed this by grinding about 0.5-1 mm off from one of the legs. This way the blasting cabinet sits on the stand without rocking during use. The floor side of the frame doesn't matter as the stand will have adjustable feet.

I used an air powered angle grinder to smooth the welds in all corners and then an angle sander on all surfaces to break the shiny metal so the paint sticks better. I wiped all the grinding dust with a rag and then used a clean rag and solvent to go through all surfaces to remove the last bits of dust and all the oil.

I had bought red oxide primer and black matte spray cans from Biltema for a total cost of about 10 EUR. I sprayed the primer on the frame in thin layers and with a help of a flashlight I inspected every surface that there were no metal to see and that the primer was smooth. I let the primer dry for half an hour and wiped the surfaces with a clean rag to remove the primer dust. I applied the black paint also in thin layers to get an even result, but run out of paint once I had the first layer, so I went and bought a second can of paint. This got me approximately two layers of paint and even surface, so good enough for me. I let the paint dry for two hours.

To give the stand good stability and finish I bought four plastic caps that were intended for this type of tube and had M10 nuts molded in them, so I could screw in the adjustable legs. The upper ends of the tubes I sealed off with similar end caps. All the caps I just whacked in with a rubber mallet and they fit snugly.

Once I got the stand home, I moved it to the correct place, adjusted the feet for level and stability and lifted the blasting cabinet on top of the stand. Fit as it should, with about 2 mm of free space from the tubes to the corners of the blasting cabinet.

Last bit to get this stand finished is to buy a piece of film faced plywood, cut the corners and install it on the supports I welded halfway up the stand to act as a storage space.

Tuesday, January 18, 2011

Blasting cabinet mods

Here is my blasting cabinet in operational condition albeit still on the floor in this picture. The small rectangular box contains about a litre of pantyhose filtered glass beads ready for use in the small blasting pen. The blasting pen is the one with the long and colorful hose in the middle and it has a small cup that holds the blasting media.

The original blasting gun was supposed to be installed with a small female connector in the right hand side panel so that there would be a G 1/4" female thread for a pipe connector. But as I'm not going to use the original gun but the blasting pen and I want a small air gun in there also for cleaning, I made a small splitter block from aluminum. The splitter block has two female quick connectors to attach the pen and the gun. The splitter has G 1/4" threads for the quick connectors and one cross drilling that I plugged from the end with an R 1/4" plug and pipe connection glue.

The air gun is from Biltema and provides very good adjustability as the trigger lever is long. It also happened to have the dangling hook in an otimal place just by coincidence, as I found out that it fits perfectly loose to the M4 screw that holds the air filter in the cabinet and is in reach of my hand while working. The hose for this air gun I liberated from the original blasting gun as it is quite thin walled and very flexible, so it is easy to maneuver inside the cabinet.

The inlet to the splitter block comes from the compressor with a hose that has a female quick connector in the end that fits a male quick connector. This is attached to an elbow joint that is going through the cabinet wall to the splitter block and keeping it also in place. The elbow connection saves me some lateral room as it comes out only about 30 mm from the side of the cabinet versus about 100 mm that it would take with the quick connector & hose coming in horizontally.

Sunday, January 16, 2011

Blasting cabinet

I bought a blasting cabinet from Biltema (article #15-377) for 159 EUR. The cabinet is quite small so it fits my workshop well, as it is more than enough in size for my parts. My intention is to use this with the silent air compressor I built earlier, but I'm going to use a small blasting pen with this cabinet to keep the air consumption low. My blasting media will be fine glass beads as I want to have a nice finished surface on my parts and one lock related project needs this also.

And as with all things that I carry home, it happened once again. I get the box inside, close the door and turn around and the Quality Inspection Team is all over the place. Yup, that's my other cat, enjoying a new toy. Well, at least they get the box afterwards as they love to play and sleep in them :)

The box contained all the parts neatly packed and properly shielded with lots of bubble wrap. I pulled all the essential small parts out front to take this picture. In here you'll see the V-bottom of the cabinet, the gloves, the supplied blasting gun and four nozzles, the lamp and a power source for it, instructions manual and a bag full of nuts & bolts. Notice the grey foam around the V-bottom, this was preinstalled but I was not thrilled of it and the next pictures shows why.

Here I'm applying very liberal amounts of butyl sealant with a caulking gun. The sealant was a 300 ml tube from Biltema for 3.99 EUR and the gun also from Biltema for 2.99 EUR. The butyl sealant is good as it remains elastic and kind of rubbery when it hardens fully (around 1-3 weeks). Downside is the enourmous force needed to squeeze it out of the tube, as it is very thick.

The sealent begans to surfaceharden after about 20 minutes so there is plenty of time to install the parts and screw everything down. In the picture I'm just installing one of the sides to the V-bottom after applying the sealant. You can notice that I removed the original foam seal from the V-bottom. The reason is that I didn't like it and I had a tube full of this butyl sealant that I could install instead. I wanted a blasting cabinet that would not blow the blasting media all over my room from the small holes that would have been left in the corners and joints where the bolts are. Applying this sealant to all mating surfaces provides me an "airtight" blasting cabinet and helps to keep noise level and cleaning down.

The only difficulty I found installing all the parts was with the gloves. I couldn't keep them in place with only one hand while trying to fit the compression ring around them with the other. Finally I figured out that I could put the ring ready on the glove, fold the gloves edge around the ring and then install it in the cabinet. Worked well and got everything assembled. In the picture you see the original gun and its nozzles and the small 12 V transformer for the interior light. This is a nice safety feature as there isn't 230 VAC inside the cabinet. On the right hand side in the upper back corner there is a small yellow air filter that lets out the air but keeps the blasting media inside and also drops down the noise somewhat.

Although the cabinet has its own feet, I'm not putting it on a table but will make feet for it instead and write about them and one other mod I have in my mind.

Tuesday, January 11, 2011

How to change gears in C4 lathe

I have to admit that this new change gear system SIEG has done is just wonderful, as the change can be done in a minute and easily without any modifications nor hard to reach places.

First open the small socket head cap screw from the front to get the gear cover open. Inside you'll find the regular arrangement of gears. In this picture I have the new gears ready and the BC-gear pairs mounting axle dismounted and all the necessary tools to make the change.

Put the sleeve with the key on the axle, then the small washer and thread the T-nut on the axle a little. Slide the T-nut behind the geartrain holding arm and the washer on the front side. Snug up the axle with fingers.

Slide the B gear on the sleeve and then the C gear after it. Now move the axle so that the C/D pair engages properly and tighten the axle with a 7 mm wrench. If the A/B pair gets in the way or is not engaging, open up the socket head cap screw in the lower end of the arm, located just behind the D gear and turn the arm down a little. When you have C/D engagement correct, move the arm to engage A/B properly and tighten the arms screw.

As a last operation drop the cutout washer on the axle and thread the locking nut in place. Even fingertight is enough, but I'll usually snug it up a little bit with a wrench to be sure it doesn't open up under vibration.

This is so easy and fast to do than on the older C2 lathe that I could change the gears just for the fun of it! :)

Sunday, January 9, 2011

Bigger tools to the C4 lathe tool post

The original tool post that comes with the SIEG C4 lathe accepts up to 13.8 mm thick tool shanks, but the maximum tool height to axis of rotation is only 10 mm. I think this a place where SIEG should make a change to their lathe as the lathe has enough power to use bigger tools. Only needed operation would be to make the tool post 2 mm lower.

My own way of modifying the tool post was to use a surface grinder to take off 2,00 mm from the bottom of the tool post. Because the tool post goes over a small shouldered bolt in the compound rest, the bolts shoulder had to be turned shorter. I took about 1.6 mm off of the length of the shoulder in a lathe and chamfered the edge.

I bought a DNMG insert holder from eBay that had a 20 x 20 mm shank and wanted to use it in my lathe, so again had to modify it to fit my tool post. I tried my best to search for 12 x 12 mm shank DNMG insert holders, but could not find any, so the 20 x 20 mm shank had to be bought. At the same time I also bought a 10 piece package of DNMG 110404 NF inserts. The nice thing with these inserts is that they are negative inserts, meaning the insert can be used four times and for me this means 1 EUR per insert edge, so very cheap.

To minimize measuring and setups I used a surface grinder to knock off all the material needed from the insert holder. First I measured that I could take about 5 mm from the bottom safely without messing with the insert retaining screw. Then the remaining 3 mm from the bottom I took so that I created an edge to the holders bottom as can be seen from the photos.

Last operation was to take 8 mm from the backside of the holder so it wouldn't hang so much out from the tool post. This was easy and fast and the last operation I did was to chamfer all the sharp edges with a file. The shank material was hardened, but filed quite okay.

Last thing to do was of course test this new tool with the new tool post mod. The tool sat very well, about 0.1-0.2 mm under the center of rotation as I checked it with a dead center mounted in the tailstock. By the way, it is a good practice to keep something in the tailstock taper as it prevents chips from entering it.

For the test I used RPM of 600 for a 60 mm diameter scrap piece. This gave me a surface speed of 113 m/min now that I calculated it. I usually aim for about 120 m/min minimum if the steel is nothing special. The feed was 0.15 mm per revolution. Depth of cut was 1 mm and the lathe happily purred away throwing short painfully hot deep blue chips. The finish was very good, considering a feed 0.15 and an insert radius of 0.4 mm.

I'm very happy of this tool post modification as it means that I can finally use the lathe :) I'm still going to buy a quick change tool post, but this will do until then.

Saturday, January 8, 2011

Test chips with the C4 lathe

Two words: Eye protection. Really, this thing makes chips fast and not just bogging sounds like the old C2 lathe I had. Here is a nice comparison photo of the old C2 lathe that I had and the new C4 lathe that I now have, both mounted on the same table in both pictures. Have to find a place or build a stand for the drill press, as it is a good thing to have when the mill is reserved.

I whipped up a quick test to see how much better this new C4 lathe is compared to the C2 that I previously owned. I found a piece of steel scrap from my material box that measured about 60 mm in diameter. The only tool that I had ready for this test was an old but sharp HSS turning tool measuring 7.5 x 7.5 mm, so I had to shim it up 2.5 mm to get to about center height.

I used an RPM of 150 which means about 28 m/min surface speed. The recommended speed for HSS in steel is about 25-30 and with coolant, but I did this test dry. I touched the workpiece and dialed a depth of cut of 1 mm and engaged longitudal feed. The feed was 0.15 mm per revolution, so something between a roughing and finishing cut.

As the tool came to contact with the steel bar I could hear a small bogging sound in the RPM but at the same instance the motor grunted more power and chips started to fly around. Hot blue chips on to the table, the floor, over me and that was the point I withdrew the cross slide and cut off the feed.! On the old C2 lathe steel would have been a problem and basically anything with a 60 mm diameter, but this machine barely noticed that there was something in the way of the cutting tool.

The other test I conducted was a drilling test to see how big drill bit can be used safely in to solid steel workpiece. The tailstock has a #2 Morse taper and biggest drill I know for that size is 24 mm in diameter, so I used that size drill bit. The tailstock ram is better than in the old C2 lathe as it can hold a Morse taper with the tang in place. But there is no slot in the end of the ram for the tang to go in to, so there is a risk that a little bit loose tool can turn in the taper.

I set the RPM to 350 to provide about 28 m/min cutting speed and I had no pilot hole in the test piece. The tailstock tended to come loose from the lever lock but when I kept it in place the drill went in nicely and the machine power was more than adequate to drill the hole.

After drilling I noticed that the tailstock ram was a little bit stiff and revealed that the small M6 grub screw that acted as a "key" was a little bit bent. No wonder under that load, but have to put a new screw in there.

I can't wait to get my new Multifix Aa type quick change tool post and to modify the DNMG carbide insert holder to a 12 x 12 mm size, as it originally is 20 x 20 mm. I already milled and surface ground the height to about 11.90 mm, but the width is still to be done. The turning insert holder cost me 68 EUR plus 36 EUR for 10 pieces of DNMG 110404 inserts. This holder I bought from the German eBay seller cd-tools.

Frank J. Hoose Jr. at did also a nice review of this C4 lathe which you might find interesting.

Tuesday, January 4, 2011

Pros & cons of the SIEG C4 lathe

I have had the SIEG C4 lathe for a couple of weeks now and although I haven't had the opportunity to turn anything to chips with it yet, I have seen quite many good and not so good things in it while disassembling, cleaning and assembling. My comparison level is basically the older C2 lathe and the "real" lathes that I use at work (TOS and one huge chinese machine).

  • Weight is a nice 94 kg and comes from the bed casting mostly. This is a good thing to have, except I would list it as a con when I have to lift it to the workbench or move it around. The size of the lathe in terms of travels didn't increase that much from the SIEG C2 lathe, but the weight really jumped from the 37 kg mark, so this really is a big jump from SIEG.
  • The 1000 W brushless motor really provides tremendous torque versus the C2 lathes 250 W DC motor that had brushes.
  • LCD dislay for RPM reading
  • Leadscrew cover keeps the chips out of the screw and also protects fingers, as the screw has a keylot along its lenghth and it has quite sharp edges.
  • Leadscrew bearing blocks and the apron both have hardened pins to lock them in certain place and this helps keeping things in proper alignment. More points from using pins that have a threaded hole to help yanking them out if needed.
  • Tailstock has a lever operated locking mechanism, very fast to use especially when drilling deeper holes than the quill movement is.
  • All metal change gears are nice and have precise holes that allow smooth sliding fit to the axle ends when installing, unlike the C2 plastic gears that had an undersized hole in them.
  • Metal gears in the headstock transfer more power than plastic ones and will also handle more loading conditions without chipping a tooth.
  • Oiling ports everywhere: Apron, carriage, tailstock, spindle, gearbox axles, leadscrew bearings, cross slide, headstock etc.
  • Split nuts in the compound and cross slide movements provide a mean to adjust the backlash to a minimum. In basic turning operations the backlash doesn't have any effect on anything and in some instances it is a nice feature to have.
  • Carriage handwheel has a graduated collar that measures 0.5 mm between lines. Very good update from the C2 that had no kind of way to get Z-axis measurements.
  • Carriage handwheel can be disengaged by pulling so that it won't rotate while power feeding.
  • Cross feed helps hands if turning larger diameter parts.
  • Feeding directions are logical in the sense that when the Z-axis feed is towards the headstock, the cross feed is towards the center of the part.
  • The changing of gears is easy due to the B/C gear arm that is very quick and easy to adjust.
  • Total indicated runout of the spindle MT3 bore is 0.005 mm or less
  • Total indicated runout of the chuck index is 0.005 mm or less
  • Total indicated runout of the spindle face is 0.01 mm or less
  • The tailstock ram accepts full size #2 Morse taper tools unlike the C2 lathe that required the tang to be cut off to utilize the full movement of the ram.

  • Spindle and leadscrew relative rotation directions are fixed. There is no change lever like the C2 had, but then again, how many times that was needed? Personally I never used it.
  • Cross feed speed is sssslooowww compared to the longitudal feed at the same change gear setting. Basically if the longitudal feed is 0.1 mm per revolution, the cross feed is only about 0.032 mm.
  • The change gear cover box doesn't come off unless the electrical cabinets panel with the small fan is removed first, as the panel screw heads will be in the way. And removing the little screws is dificult because the gearbox cover is in the way.
  • There was either sand mixed with heavy oil/lube or some sort of course lapping compound in the headstock gears that was causing huge noise and was a possible wear inducer.
  • Almost every electrical wire is either blue or black inside the machine. Not good when trying to figure out where some wire went, but at least some wires had labels on them.
  • The beeper is plain annoying. Beep when you turn the machine on, beep when you push the buttons. A jumper on the PCB for disabling it would have been a nice feature.
  • The safety interlock in the chuck guard is not logically done: If you don't push the microswitch (like remove the whole shield), the machine runs fine. But when you push the switch, the machine shuts off.
  • The tailstock can bump in to the gib screws of the cross slide. This could be prevented by installing a small screw in front of the tailstock.
  • Painting has been done for a half-assembled machine, as there is painted socket head cap screws, some not painted, some parts painted that should not be (like the carriage gib "paws") and the paint also flakes off easily from the cast iron surfaces.
  • Carriage gibs don't have counteracting screws or locking nuts for good adjustment.
  • The cross feed dial is reading radius and not diameter as would be useful.
  • The cross feed dial numbers don't correlate to any "real" values, they are just for counting.

All things considered with the relatively low price of 1100 EUR that I paid for this is a very good investment and the SIEG quality has gone up since the C2 lathe. Personally I can suggest this C4 lathe to others and say that I very much like it.